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Tongue-Tie in an Older Kid

12/26/2013

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Back in June when we took Ezra to see Dr. Jesse, it was just my husband, Ezra, and I. I had this picture on my phone, and on a whim, I shared it with Dr. Jesse to show the array of palates and tongues we had left at home:
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"You see this here?" he pointed to my (then) 13 year old's picture, "His tongue-tie is pulling his bottom two teeth in." 

Now after my discovery of Ezra's mouth, and then our science project of comparing the other kids via pictures, I was amazed to see Jacob had a tongue-tie. He nursed with ease until the day he quit on his 4th birthday; well, I should say, after his stint in the NICU for 2 weeks, plus a couple of days figuring things out in our own time and space out of the hospital, he nursed with ease. I thought that was it, end of story -- nursing went well, so we didn't need to worry about it now. But I had before noticed in his otherwise lovely mouth of mostly-straight teeth, those two troublesome bottom guys...

In hindsight, a tongue like that could have caused a few issues we noticed earlier but were clueless about. Jacob was late to start solids. I offered him rice cereal at four months (it is important to know rice cereal isn't the best first food for babies, I was following mainstream guidelines and assuming since it was marketed for babies, it was best for babies; for more info about that, read here). He gagged so I figured he wasn't ready (again, I was uninformed and looking at the calendar and not the baby when determining if he was ready for food). I would wait a couple weeks and try again; same response with additional behaviors such as coughing, tongue thrust, clamping his mouth shut, and turning his head away. After a few more attempts, I lost interest and let my little sister (then 12 years old) eat it all. When Jacob was 9 months old (and still had no real solids experience) we were eating at our favourite Mexican restaurant. Jacob was large -- 9 pounds, 8 ounces at birth, 20 pounds at 4 months, 30 pounds by a year -- and because of that, we often placed him in the high chair while we dined to keep him at our level and engaged. He never acted interested in food, though. This particular night, he was madly waving his arms and shouting at us, so I offered him a bite of refried beans. Surprisingly, he took the food into his mouth, kept it in, swallowed, and wanted more! We were excited, but it still wasn't full-speed ahead with food -- he didn't really start eating food until about 14 months. 

Tongue-tied babies can often be slow to eat solids or have other food issues, but I just assumed he wasn't ready and I didn't worry due to his size. I do believe Jacob limited himself to foods he could easily eat and swallow and this shaped his preferences -- he is still a picky eater, and I fully attribute that to his anatomical make-up and how he compensated to ensure he didn't choke or suffer other discomforts while eating.

The second sign of how he was being affected by his tongue was the fact that he had extensive decay on his top teeth, necessitating caps at 18 months old. Having a tongue that doesn't move in a full range can cause decay, as the tongue isn't able to move between the teeth and the lips up at the gumline to sweep food out. Coupled with an upper lip tie (restricted upper lip), pockets can form and food and bacteria can become trapped, thereby causing decay despite the best oral hygiene practices. Again, at the time we thought it was a fluke, genetic thing, especially since he hadn't started solids until later. Now I see it makes sense. In light of his history, I recently scoured all the pictures I have of him to try and find evidence of his tongue-tie as a baby -- this is all I have come up with:
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Ties, like black holes, continue to exert that force on the mouth and the teeth if they aren't resolved or released; case-in-point: my husband's parents spent thousands of dollars on orthodontics for him, to only have his bottom teeth move once the braces came off and stopped holding the teeth in proper alignment. I could further prove this with a picture, but my husband doesn't readily allow me to share the inner workings of his body on the internet :). 

We decided to take yet another trip to see Dr. Jesse and have Jacob's tie revised. We made an overnight trip out of it, with an adventure to the La Brea Tar Pits attached.

Dr. Jesse welcomed our whole entourage into the treatment room. While we waited, he ran in to get the laser and said, wheeling it away, "Someone has a canker sore that's needs zapping!" and left, happy to remove this thorn in a patient's mouth.

Dr. Jesse came back in to greet us, look in the other boys' mouths, and then get Jacob seated in the chair. He visually and digitally assessed Jacob's tongue function, saw there was no upper lip tie, and explained what he felt we should do for optimal restriction release. Jacob received a numbing shot that needed a few minutes to take effect, and we waited and chatted. 

Since I held Ezra during the last procedure, it was Brad's turn to hold Jacob (just kidding -- Jacob is 6" tall and wears a 13 shoe). I did say that, though, and it got a good chuckle. What I intended to state was, since I held Ezra and wasn't able to watch the procedure in real time, I stood close to Dr. Jesse's shoulder to get full view of the lasering. It makes sense, but I wasn't quite prepared, that it took about 5 soild minutes to keep swiping the laser over, and over, and over the frenulum. Dr. Jesse would then readjust, regrip, and reapply the laser; soon I realized I didn't need to watch the whole thing. The other children were curious, and Dr. Jesse's assistant invited them over to both have a turn.    
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After the procedure, Dr. Jesse made sure all the boys (minus Ezra) received popsicles. We took care of the billing ($80), and bid Dr. Jesse farewell. We went in search of lunch and ended up at BJ's Brewhouse. Jacob ordered pizza and ate like a champ, mostly...but as he neared the end of his pizza, his eating got slower. Finally he pushed the last bit away and said he was done. I looked at him an realized he was white as a sheet! That's when it hit me:  I should have given him ibuprofen before walking out of Dr. Jesse's office! I let the pain come at full-force as the numbing shot and laser affects wore off. I quickly offered him some analgesics and we hit the road toward LA.

We stayed in a hotel, and Jacob and I found a Target to get some provisions (popcorn, hot chocolate, snacks). I threw some Anbesol into the cart, hoping it might help. Jacob threw some popsicles in for good measure. Back at the room, we tried the Anbesol (it stung mightily -- he went and washed it out!), and he decided to keep up with the ibuprofen and popsicles. He had a hard time sleeping that night, but we were away from home, and the distractions were minimal.

The next morning his mouth really hurt, but he was able to drink some hot chocolate with his brothers: 

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We headed off for the day and had a great time at the tar pits. Jacob did experience pain intermittently, and we kept up with the ibuprofen (see a theme here?). For lunch we went to the Cheesecake Kitchen. Jacob ate a hamburger okay, and then the five of us shared three pieces of cheesecake (he had no trouble with that!).

For the next few days, his mouth hurt. Looking back now and reading other adults' accounts of their revisions, I wonder if we could have dissected a bit more what the pain felt like to get to the root of what might have been causing that sensation. As in childbirth, when you throw all the "pain" together in bucket, it is read as PAIN, but when you break down where the sensation is coming from it not only makes it easier to cope with, it helps us to know why it's there. I am sure he was feeling soreness at the site, but was he also feeling tenderness as his tongue moved in ways it never before was able? Was any of that the after-effects of tensing during the procedure, which caused lactic acid build up he was feeling now? Referred pain signals to areas that weren't even affected? All we knew was, he called it pain, and we treated it as such. There is science behind controlling pain for speedier healing, so I am not opposed to doing what works for him. Being that he is the size of a grown man, his frenulum was thicker and required more time to release.

I am trying to get him to write up his experience in his own words, but that may take some bribery on my part, or extra credit on his English teacher's part. But who knows, maybe it'll turn up and you can read how he felt about being tongue-tied and then released?

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Elizabeth Reedley
12/26/2013 01:40:40 pm

Food for thought! I am still on the fence about getting my daughter's tongue take care of because I hear so much about the after care and reattaching, thanks for showing me what could come down the road (she I 4 months old).

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Andrea
1/16/2014 10:16:53 am

What you say about the pain makes good sense. I have had a broken tooth and my tongue got sooooo sore from continually playing with the broken tooth. The tooth was not rough to cause pain and Im sure it was from continually making a movement that it was not used to doing.

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Lil
3/29/2014 06:28:26 am

Hi, I followed your link from the article posted by baby gizmo. I just want to say I had lip tie. I never knew anything was wrong, I mean I had a giant gap, but it was just part of me. I never had any cavities as an adult, but as a kid I had nearly all my teeth capped. My parents always said that it was because we had"bad water" (we had well water.
Anyway, I had my gap closed because the kids at my child s preschool were beginning to lose teeth and asked when I lost my tooth.
Trying to keep this short:)
The dds gave me the shot which was really painful and hit every nerve ending in my nose. Then the meds kicked in. It took several minutes to laser

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Stacie
3/29/2014 07:02:31 am

So did the gap close? How did the healing go?

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Lil
3/29/2014 04:56:02 pm

Sorry I was on my phone and it wouldn't let me finish (nor start a new post, the letters weren't showing up?)
While he was lasering, I could smell the burnt flesh and it was gross! LOL
After that, he put in veneers to close the gap as without the tie there, it seemed even bigger.
I *think* it was because of the veneers, but some how something got messed up. I got an infection there. I had to have stitches also.
Recovery was really painful.

Also because my gap had always been so big, I never had a problem with flossing between my front teeth. Now I feel like I have to floss all the time because stuff gets stuck in there. LOL

My mother breast fed me til I was 4 yr old. I assume that means it wasn't horribly uncomfortable? LOL (but in addition to the lip tie, which was only fixed when I was 30, I also had a terrible underbite- so I don't know if that is how nature 'remedied' itself?) I spent half my childhood in the dentist and orthodontists office, my mom once said they had spent close to $40,000 to get my teeth fixed with all the caps, spacers, mouth pieces, retainers, head gear, vests, etc.

Now reading these blogs I wonder if a simple clipping as a baby would have fixed everything??

My niece also had a gap, she had her tie cut out[laser] and about age 13. She had braces afterwards and it helped to close the gap.

Oh, the main point I wanted to share that unlike the BG blogger's child, I experienced pain like your son. It wasn't easy, it took at least a week to heal. I couldn't eat or move my lip or smile at all because it was so painful.

It just makes me think, is it better done as a baby or as an older child or adult? I can see advantages for each.

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Stacie
3/30/2014 04:51:36 am

I figured something techy happened, lol. My husband and siblings all had z-plasty to remove their diastemas, and I am told it was painful, and there were stitches, etc. I can say, after being through it with my baby, it would be much easier to treat as a baby! With my baby, it took less than 5 minutes for the tongue and the lip, and that is still with readjusting baby, switching from one site and then the other, etc. Let me see if I can find some pics from parents who had their babies' ULTs lasered and then pics of how soon the teeth went together.

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Rebecca
6/24/2014 05:38:58 am

Where is Dr Jesse located? He sounds really good. How can I find a local Dr like him? Thanks.

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Stacie
6/24/2014 06:36:04 am

Dr. Jesse is in San Bernardino. The Facebook group, "Tongue Tie Babies Support Group," has an excellent provider list. http://ttbsg.weebly.com/provider-list.html

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beverly morgan link
6/29/2014 09:18:35 am

Stacie, and Jacob thanks for sharing your journey. As others read they may well recognize themselves or someone dear to them and a light will go on. Good work!

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